Show & Tell - S&T chats with Eddie Spaghetti of Supersuckers

EDDIE SPAGHETTI of THE SUPERSUCKERS
06.20.03

We caught up by phone with Eddie Spaghetti, the Supersuckers' sunglass wearin', cowboy hat sportin', ass-kickin', name-takin' frontman extraordinaire. As the bass-playing lead singer of a hard-rockin' band, Eddie's place is secure in the rarefied air of the pantheon that includes Gene Simmons, Phil Lynott, Lemmy Kilminster, Geddy Lee, Mike Watt and John Doe, several of whom he's named as huge influences. And as anyone who's seen the ‘Suckers live will attest, he's clearly the center of attention despite the dual-guitar antics of Ron Heathman and Dan Bolton on either side of the stage.

The band's currently on the road in support of new album, “Motherfuckers Be Tripping,” released on their very own Mid-Fi label. [“It ain't hi-fi, it ain't lo-fi, it's Mid-Fi, and it's pretty good.” The label's name and logo also seem thinly veiled references to a hand's bird-flipping digit]. Now in their fifteenth year together, the Supersuckers have traveled a long and dusty road from their hometown of Tucson, Arizona to the red-hot Seattle music scene of the late '80s, and now inhabit the fictional kingdom they fondly refer to as Middlefingerton, U.S.A.

Before his cell phone conked out, our conversation with the frank, funny and articulate Mr. Spaghetti ranged from the Dixie Chicks' recent anti-war stance to the role of Nazis and Jews in rock & roll history; from what happens on Willie Nelson's tour bus to whether Courtney killed Kurt.

But one topic worth calling out in particular is the Supersuckers' dedication to the cause of the so-called West Memphis Three, convicted as teenagers for the 1993 murders of three small boys in West Memphis, Arkansas. As detailed in the documentary films “Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills” and “Paradise Lost 2: Revelations,” one of the teens was sentenced to die and the others to life sentences following trials that featured a dubious confession by one and less-than-compelling evidence of their guilt. Among the details that brought initial suspicion upon the high school students in their small, rural town – and which has made them somewhat of a cause celebre in the rock world – was their penchant for heavy metal music and scribbling “Satanic” lyrics and symbols on school notebooks. [For more info, we encourage you to visit www.wm3.org]

Consequently, the Supersuckers organized a fund-raising tribute album, have recruited numerous celebrities to the cause, and are continuously raising money for the West Memphis Three's ongoing legal appeals – most recently through eBay auctions for a personal guitar lesson with Ron Heathman and an all-inclusive trip to San Francisco to see a ‘Suckers concert and tour Alcatraz with the band.

We digress. But with that as background, here's another fine example of what we at Show & Tell pride ourselves on: not just another interview.

Show & Tell: You got a little time for an interview?

EDDIE: I do. I'm waiting with bated breath to speak to you.

S&T: [laughs] Likewise.

EDDIE: [laughs]

S&T: Where in Middlefingerton does this call find you?

EDDIE: We are in the wilds of Fort Collins, Colorado. We just did Salt Lake [City] and then Fort Collins here last night, and we're off to Denver here in a few.

S&T: Very nice. I just saw John Doe [of the seminal L.A. punk band X] last night here in New Jersey.

EDDIE: Oh, right on!

S&T: Yeah, and I think that sighting knocks the Supersuckers off the top of my list of bands that I've seen most often.

EDDIE: Ah! Well, we'll have to get back on top.

S&T: [laughing] I missed you last time you were in New York, so I think now the X, Knitters, John Doe posse are back on top, but not by much.

EDDIE: Was it John Doe solo?

S&T: Yeah. X is touring right now, but they skipped New York. They played Philly the night before and they're in Boston this weekend, but they just didn't have a gig in New York. So it was just him by himself with a guitar.

EDDIE: I've been doing a few of those myself.

S&T: Solo?

EDDIE: Yeah.

S&T: Really?

EDDIE: Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's an incredibly intense exercise in trying to entertain without coming across like this pretentious, folkie, singer/songwriter prick.

S&T: What kind of stuff do you play?

EDDIE: Pretty much anything. You know, over the last, I don't know – ever since I picked up a guitar I've amassed quite a collection of songs that I can play. So I can almost play anything by any band that people yell out, and then I play a lot of Supersuckers stuff. I'll play works in progress, I'll show people kind of how it's going, and sometimes I'll ask them, “Which chord do you like better here? This one or this one?” I'll sort of involve the audience in the songwriting process.

S&T: That's fantastic. [John Doe] was very good, though there were only about ten or fifteen people in the room…

EDDIE: Wow.

S&T: Yeah, so probably a very different vibe than playing with X the night before.

EDDIE: Right. Where did he play?

S&T: Maxwell's in Hoboken.

EDDIE: Oh yeah, yeah.

S&T: Do you know it?

EDDIE: I know it, we've played there. I would think that more people would come and see John Doe.

S&T: I would too. It was a little disappointing. Jersey did not represent.

EDDIE: Yeah, but you never know. I just did a solo show in Park City, Utah on the beginning of this trip and it was pretty good – there were forty or fifty people there, they got entertained. I played for about three hours.

S&T: Three hours?!

EDDIE: Yeah [laughing]

S&T: Jesus. Like Springsteen.

EDDIE: Yeah, well, I was the only guy on the bill.

S&T: Good for you.

EDDIE: Yeah, it was fun.

S&T: Um, is it usually you doing the Supersuckers interviews?

EDDIE: Generally speaking it is. I'm the witty one, the one with things to say. The one who will make you laugh and make you cry. [laughs]

S&T: [laughing] So far, so good.

EDDIE: The other guys are just complete dolts. [laughs] No, that's not true at all, they have great things to say too.

S&T: OK, no comment.

EDDIE: [laughing] Coward.

S&T: Are you going to be passing through New Mexico on this tour?

EDDIE: Um, not on this trip. We're currently planning our next round of touring and we want to try and get to places like that, you know, places we don't typically get to, that may be off the beaten path a bit.

S&T: That actually wasn't as random a question as it may seem. I was wondering if you've heard about the name-changing of Route 666 in New Mexico in the last couple of weeks?

EDDIE: I have heard about that, they did that in Arizona as well.

S&T: Is it the same road?

EDDIE: It's not the same road, but it's the same, sort of, spur and it dipped on down into southeastern Arizona and they changed it.

S&T: What do you think about that?

EDDIE: Talk about a little separation of church and state! C'mon people. It's three numbers. It's retarded.

S&T: [laughing] Yup.

EDDIE: Of course, I would love to have one of those signs.

S&T: Oh, absolutely. I took a picture of one in New Mexico driving cross-country last year. I was moving from California to New Jersey and we pulled off the road to get a drink or something and saw the sign and were tempted to grab it but just settled for a photograph.

EDDIE: Definitely. When we're passing through Texas, I always wanna snag mile marker 666. A buddy of mine has a record store in Baltimore and he's got one and I'm insanely jealous every time I go there. You can only get one in Texas, ‘cause California doesn't have mile markers and all the other states are too small.

S&T: Well now they're going to have to do something with all those old Route 666 signs…

EDDIE: You know they're going to be sitting somewhere. They're probably gonna put ‘em in a fire, so that Satan doesn't actually leak out onto the highway.

S&T: [laughing] With Dixie Chicks albums thrown onto the pile.

EDDIE: [laughing] Yeah, exactly.

S&T: Where do you throw your lot in on the Dixie Chicks controversy?

EDDIE: Well, I'm pro-Chicks. I think it's interesting that they've received grief for their one little comment. And I guess I'm mostly jealous because, I mean, we've been trying to rile up the powers that be for ten years now, and nothing. And they say one little thing off the cuff on stage one night, and - boom! – they're embroiled in major controversy. But I think they're cool, and I think the chubby one's awfully cute.

S&T: [laughs] Speaking of which, what's the state of your facial hair at the moment? Are you bearded? Not bearded?

EDDIE: Currently I have big sideburns and am in desperate need of a shave. If I go another day, I'm gonna have a beard.

S&T: Who's sideburns are bigger, yours or [drummer] Dancing Eagle's?

EDDIE: Well, Dancing Eagle currently is sporting the full beard.

S&T: He is? Well, it's very difficult to keep up.

EDDIE: It is. Well, you know, we have a genetic pre-disposition in our band to grow facial hair at the drop of a hat.

S&T: [laughing] That's life on the road.

EDDIE: [laughs] Yeah, exactly. These are small ways in which you entertain yourself.

S&T: Speaking of Dancing Eagle, let me ask you a question. For little kids out there who are maybe preparing for their Bar Mitzvahs, preparing to be little Gene Simmonses or little Jewish rock stars, the world wants to know if Daniel “Matzoh Balls” Siegel is actually a Member of the Tribe?

EDDIE: He is Tribal. He is the Nava-Jew. He is a Member of the Tribe indeed, and when we were kids – me and him have known each other the longest, since about fifth grade – and we lived right around the corner from each other and would always used to go to what he would call the “Jew bashes” on the Jewish holidays. He'd be like, “Eddie, good Jew bash coming up if you wanna come over.” And they were always great, great food, everybody's having a good time. So we always enjoyed the Jew bash.

S&T: So there are some Jews in Arizona?

EDDIE: Oh yeah, big contingency.

S&T: Huh, that's good to know. Actually, my cousin just moved there, so now I think now there's one more, at least.

EDDIE: Yeah, and you know, the Jewish people have made quite a dent in the rock & roll world.

S&T: I know it.

EDDIE: From Joey Ramone to Gene Simmons to David Lee Roth. I mean, come on.

S&T: Yup, absolutely. The list goes on.

EDDIE: And you know what's ironic about that, is that the actual recording technology that we use, magnetic tapes, was perfected by Nazi Germany in order to document Hitler's speeches to fool the Allied forces as to where he was. So it's a testimonial to the Jewish perseverance that they've turned the tables on that whole technology and capitalized.

S&T: What specific about that technology, as opposed to recording technology generally?

EDDIE: Well, before magnetic tapes they were using, like, these acetate, sort of, record discs, to record people talking and stuff. But they revolutionized the recording industry, basically, the Nazis did, by inventing magnetic tape, which is basically the tape that we use to this day to record rock & roll on.

S&T: Bastards.

EDDIE: Yeah. [laughs] I'm not the kind of guy to say anything positive about the Nazis, but they employed some smart people. [laughs] But, well, they got theirs. And they had to live with their karmic debt in their minds. I hope that weighed on them heavy.

S&T: What's happening with the West Memphis Three at the moment? Anything new?

EDDIE: Well, there's a few new developments. Nothing that's getting them out of prison yet, and we're barreling up on ten years of them being there. But there is some hope in the DNA department; they're trying to get some DNA evidence entered in. And, you know, once again that's causing a need for another rally of money-donating, so we've been trying to up our efforts a bit with some eBay auctions where the profits benefit the West Memphis Three defense fund. And another piece of interesting news is that there's actually a big-budget Hollywood movie being made about the case. So that maybe will help quite a bit to raise the profile.

S&T: Another documentary?

EDDIE: No, an actual movie based on facts, like a dramatized movie.

S&T: How did you get involved in that cause?

EDDIE: It was an oddly simple thing to do. I saw the first movie [“Paradise Lost”] and was moved to start talking about it with some friends and kind of one thing led to another in small steps and we started thinking about, you know, what do we do? We're just a small little band, we can't really throw a big concert and make any kind of instant money, you know? But we thought, well, we make records – maybe we could make a record. And we just started calling in a bunch of friends and calling in some favors and we put together this record called “Free the West Memphis Three.”

S&T: Right.

EDDIE: And it turned out really great. It's an excellent compilation record, I think, regardless of the cause.

S&T: Yep, it absolutely is.

EDDIE: We went and met with them [the three convicted young men] and made sure they were cool with what we're doing and we've formed relationships with these people. It's surprisingly easy to get involved in something, and I mean, I'm not the kind of guy that looks for something to get involved in. I rarely have a selfless thought in my body. But this thing has been really good for me to see that it really doesn't matter how big or small you think your wallet is, you can be some help.

S&T: Right. I know [Henry] Rollins is very involved in that as well. [He's recently produced a benefit CD, called “Rise Above,” of Black Flag covers by many artists, including several ex-Black Flag members, Iggy Pop, Chuck D, and members of Clutch, Slipknot, Metallica, Slayer, Motörhead and Queens of the Stone Age – ed.]

EDDIE: Yeah, it's great to see him get involved, you know, it's like every little step leads to another good project.

S&T: Did you have any pleasant surprises or interesting experiences trying to get people for that record? I mean, it's a pretty diverse bunch, with Exene [Cervenka of X] and….

EDDIE: Yeah, we got Joe Strummer on there, and Tom Waits, and Steve Earle. I mean, the names we got on our record I couldn't believe. And it surprises me how few people know about this record and how little it's actually sold. We're currently working right now on trying to get a re-release happening and maybe get it out there a little more properly. I think that the record label we worked with wasn't real proactive, I think they were a little on the fence about the cause. And that's nothing that they've come out and said, I'm speculating, but that's kind of how I feel. Maybe they just weren't 100% behind it and didn't know what to do with it because there's no reason that record shouldn't have sold a lot more, with Eddie Vedder on it, so we're trying to get that thing out there again….

S&T: Actually, I saw the eBay promotions on your website, like the trip to San Francisco, to Alcatraz, and I was wondering about that. So the proceeds from that go to the West Memphis Three legal defense fund?

EDDIE: Yeah. I'm not sure if all of them do, ‘cause they don't all make money. Like this one we just did for Alcatraz, we're taking a little hit on this one. But sometimes they double what their cost is and then we're really able to give something out there. This one, unfortunately, we'll be paying – I don't know – a couple hundred bucks or whatever out of pocket to make it happen, but it's good to just keep doing and for us to keep word out there about the West Memphis Three.

S&T: Yeah, absolutely. And the eBay auctions, just as a guerilla marketing method, is kind of a cool idea.

EDDIE: Yeah, it is. Our resident label guy, who helps us do all our records and stuff, ‘cause we do it ourselves, he had this idea to start doing these eBay auctions. And you know, we all had wagers within the band about how crazy it was, and is it going to work, but it's been a really, really good idea.

S&T: And to the extent they involve the winning bidders flying in to meet you, like the Alcatraz auction, have you enjoyed hanging out with the people who win?

EDDIE: Yeah, it's been really cool. I mean, I'm consistently surprised at how cool our fans can be. You know, I think of a typical rock & roll fan as being kind of a meathead, tattooed, eyeball, shaved, methamphetamine-addled freak, but they're not. They're just like - well, some of them are…

S&T: That's just the front row, I think.

EDDIE: [laughing] Exactly! That's just the people I see every night, up front. But they're just regular people. Most of the time they have better-paying jobs than I have, and they're just smart folks that like good rock.

S&T: Well, maybe that begs the next question. Who do you think is your target fan, to the extent you can peg that down?

EDDIE: Well, generally speaking, someone who's kind of really dug their claws into rock & roll, or as I like to say, people who've embraced rock & roll as their personal savior. These are people that have heard the AC/DC and Ramones and Motörhead records and they want to hear some more. You know, they want to go find Zen Guerillas, Zeke and the Supersuckers. They want to scratch the surface of what's there and find this rock & roll that's not trying to be elitist or artsy in any way, it's just trying to be good-time, ass-kicking rock & roll music. These are people that are like myself, they want more, they don't really care that they're getting older, they want to keep rocking, as cheesy as that sounds.

S&T: That actually raises a good point, because I think there is an age factor involved. I would say the people I see at your shows and who like your music are people who grew up listening to AC/DC and the Ramones and the Clash and that stuff. But what about kids who were born in 1985 and who grew up with MTV and who are listening to Linkin Park and Papa Roach right now? If you could point them to four or five albums that they should check out – the Stooges' “Fun House” or something – if you could name four or five albums that you'd recommend as required listening for…

EDDIE: …for real rock & roll? Yeah, I mean that's a rough one, because with these kids, the frame of reference for the bands they're listening to is different, you know? I read something about Korn not too long ago, and their musical history starts at the Red Hot Chili Peppers. And really, I mean, they've never listened to what we would consider to be, you know, “classic rock” at all. And a part of me is appalled by that, but more so I'm kind of impressed that these guys are not only influenced by totally modern music, but they're the first generation of completely, wholly original music that I don't get. I mean I really don't get it. I don't like it, I don't get it, I don't care to get it. But kids love it! So to point them in a direction where I'm coming from? You know, I would say get [the Ramones'] “Rocket to Russia,” get [AC/DC's] “Highway to Hell,” get [Motörhead's] “Ace of Spades,” get a Rolling Stones record. But I don't think they would like it, although I would love it if they did.

S&T: Hmm. But to some extent that happens with every generation, right? I mean, part of rock music is rebellion and building off of what came before. The Velvet Underground didn't sound like Elvis.

EDDIE: Exactly. And whether or not I get it isn't the point. I appreciate the fact that people are out there just making something completely new that I don't understand. I absolutely love it.

S&T: Going back to seeing John Doe last night, he'll play a Hank Williams or Woody Guthrie song and he talks about LA in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s hanging with the Blasters and Los Lobos and they were very much influenced by that older generation of blues and roots music…

EDDIE: Right.

S&T: …and so what you just said about this being maybe the first generation of rock musicians who don't trace back to the blues or rockabilly or Jerry Lee Lewis…

EDDIE: Right, who've never listened to the Beatles and never will. And I've never been a real big Beatles fan myself, but I understand what people are talking about when they say, “I can't believe this band doesn't connect with this from the past.”

S&T: What's your favorite gig that you've seen? Was there an inspirational lightning bolt moment when you were seventeen?

EDDIE: Well, you know, the very first concert I ever saw really sort of tore the lid off of my brain. And it was a pretty pedestrian concert – it was Fleetwood Mac, in Tucson in 1979 on the “Tusk” tour. And I just couldn't get over the fact that there I was in this room – albeit the room was massive – but I was in the same room as this band that I'd been listening to for the last three years as a kid. And there they are playing these songs that I've listened to a million times. I just couldn't believe that this is really how it works. And after that, I had to go and see every lame band that came through Tucson. I mean, Kansas and stuff that I would never go see now, but I'm kind of glad that I got into music as a very young kid and it was on the end of this sort of ‘70s classic rock era and the beginning of New Wave and heavy metal and I kind of got a taste of all of it. It was a good time to start seeing all those bands.

S&T: I was talking about that recently with a friend, actually, having grown up in the suburbs ourselves. And my first big concert was AC/DC's “Back in Black” tour in 1981.

EDDIE: Oh, what a great one.

S&T: My mom actually went with me, ‘cause I needed a ride!

EDDIE: Right. I went with my friend's dad to see Fleetwood Mac. [laughs]

S&T: But you'd wait a year or more for your favorite band to come through town, or you'd get really excited when they were mentioned in Circus or Creem magazine. But now, with the Internet, with MTV, with chat rooms and TV commercials, it seems like bands are more omnipresent and a bit of the shine and excitement of waiting for that next tour or finding that rare imported vinyl is kind of lessened when you can just download your favorite songs any time night or day.

EDDIE: Right. You can go and see videos and concerts on TV. You could never see a concert on TV. Once in a while you had Don Kirschner's “Rock Concert” or you had “Night Flight” or “The Midnight Special.” That was about it, and very seldom was there something you were interested in. I remember seeing Thin Lizzy on “The Midnight Special” and actually being kind of spooked, thinking they were kind of scary. And you know, that's cool, you don't get that anymore. And I'm not saying that this time is any worse, it's just different. There's a lot more to entertain people than there was back then. Music is sort of a different thing now.

S&T: Do you think that there will be another Elvis or Robert Plant? You know, just kind of that mythical Rock God up on a platform?

EDDIE: I know there will be, but for briefer periods of time. We as a culture tend to put these people up on a pedestal to immediately swallow them whole and see them fall. Whereas someone like Elvis, we were rooting for him for decades. And, you know, same with Led Zeppelin. They ruled for a decade or whatever. Now bands will rule for maybe an album or two and then they're gone.

S&T: Do you think that's a result of the record industry, where if your first album doesn't hit they can't deal with you, or do you think it's a reflection of bands not playing in bars for ten years before they get their first record contract?

EDDIE: I think it's a little bit of all of that, you know. Definitely labels aren't interested in developing things, they need to make money a lot quicker. And artists, by the same token, I think are more financially driven than creatively driven a lot of times. You know, they want to be rock stars and they'll work out the details of how to write songs later. So they make themselves disposable by virtue of the fact that their goals aren't the same as older bands, maybe, where they wanted to write songs and that was the main goal. And bands that do that aren't as, sort of, sexy to people as they used to be.

S&T: Now that you guys run your own record label, is your perspective different on the music business as a business and those type of things?

EDDIE: Maybe a little bit, just in that we have a lot more information than we used to have. It's a lot of work, there's a lot of legwork, a lot of phone calls when you're doing it all yourself. And did we get into this to work? Certainly not. We got into this business to not work. But it's totally rewarding stuff, you know, to be able to see the results of what you've been doing and your record is actually selling and you're looking into the future seeing that you're actually going to get a royalty check that you make out to yourself. You know? It's interesting and it makes all the work kind of worthwhile. Especially after we've been doing this for so long, it's fun, it's one more thing to get involved in and keep active with.

S&T: What is up with the cover of “Motherfuckers Be Tripping?”

EDDIE: [laughing] It's fucking bizarre.

S&T: [laughing] Hence my question.

EDDIE: We told our art guy we just wanted something that is unlike anything we've ever had before.

S&T: And he nailed it.

EDDIE: He turned in a couple of things, and that one's just out there. [laughs]

S&T: So that's it? I'm not missing any veiled reference or meaning?

EDDIE: [laughs] Nope, once again, we're not trying to be artsy or elitist, we're just being weird.

S&T: Well, you hit the nail on the head.

EDDIE: Yeah.

S&T: Have you guys, prior to this venture, done anything other than music? Have you had day jobs to support yourselves?

EDDIE: Uh, we had jobs early on, of course. We were excellent hydro-porcelain engineers. I think this phone is about to die, so if it craps out I guess we're completed.

S&T: OK, I'll talk quickly if you do the same.

EDDIE: We had various crappy jobs that any other kid had, but we were lucky to be able to quit our jobs quickly.

S&T: And since leaving Tucson for Seattle, or during the time that you were in Seattle, how have you seen things change there?

EDDIE: Well, I think that things have changed quite a bit, you know, because when that Seattle explosion was going on, it was very exciting to see. But it still kind of felt like it was happening all around us.

S&T: Not to you?

EDDIE: Not to us, right. And you know, that was both good and bad. We appreciated not being a grunge band and we appreciate not being labeled a specific way, but at the same time, it would've been nice to have had a hit record and stuff like that. What band doesn't really want that? If a band tells you that's not their goal, or it wouldn't be nice, they're full-on lying.

S&T: Do you think Courtney killed Kurt?

EDDIE: [laughs] In a very roundabout way, I think she had a huge hand in it. And my wife and I disagree vehemently on this point. [laughs]

S&T: Do you mean emotionally, psychically?

EDDIE: Yeah, exactly. I think that she was detrimental to his spirit. He was already an extremely fragile and talented person and I think that that relationship, being so high profile and probably so high maintenance, was the exact opposite of what he probably should've had. And you know, he made the choice to be with her, it's not like she forced him to be there. I mean, obviously they had a passion for each other, but a person that is so anti-fame gets involved with a relationship like that, it's the opposite of what would be considered good for a person.

S&T: Do you have any good Willie Nelson stories? [The Supersuckers have worked with the outlaw country icon on several projects. –ed.]

EDDIE: Oh, definitely. We got to play to play with Willie Nelson on the “Tonight Show” with Jay Leno…

S&T: Right, “Bloody Mary Morning?”

EDDIE: Yep, and the whole day I know what he's gonna ask me. He's going to say, “Hey Eddie, you want to go get on the bus?” And you know, I know what happens on that bus.

S&T: [laughing] Right.

EDDIE: So we were doing rehearsal and it went really poorly. It was just…we couldn't connect and he was playing in what seemed like a whole different world than we were playing, and I just couldn't get it together and was really discouraged. And he set down his guitar and was like, “Well, that ought to do it.” And I'm like, “It ought to?! Oh shit.” And then he set his guitar down and walked over to me and, you know, I'd been waiting for this: “Hey Eddie, you want to go burn one?” And it took me about a split-second to say, “OK!” And I was like, I can't believe I'm gonna do this! So I get on the bus and I mean, we could've been on that bus five minutes or five hours, I have no idea how long we were there, but then we got the knock. The big knock to come do the show – it's time. And I was like, “Oh Jeez,” I'm running over all the apologies to my band members in my head already, “I'm sorry, I blew it, I messed up.”

S&T: Oh, it was just you in the bus?

EDDIE: Yeah, it was just me. And then we got out there and the curtain went up and we nailed it. I couldn't believe it. The thrill of… so badly… and to have it come off like….

RECORDED OPERATOR'S VOICE: The person you called is no longer on the line.

Damn cell phone battery. And we were just getting warmed up, too.

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